Curatorial Thought and the Transformation of Contemporary Art: A Conversation with Elettra Fiumi on Cultural Production

Interview Series: Interviews with Curators, Artists and Cultural Thinkers | Interview: Gökhan Çolak

Visual Storytelling and Interdisciplinary Research

Your work brings together documentary cinema, cultural research, and visual storytelling. In your view, how does film production function as a field of inquiry for reflecting on contemporary art and cultural production?

Film has always been my way of thinking through ideas. That’s where my deep thinking happens, while I translate complexity to engaging storytelling. When I make a documentary, the process of research, of sitting with a subject for months or years, of finding the visual language to hold a complex idea, that is itself a form of inquiry. With “Radical Landscapes,” for example, I spent 10 years inside the archive of the 9999 group, my father’s radical architecture collective from late 1960s Florence. The film became a way to ask questions about utopia, about the relationship between art and politics, about what gets remembered and what gets erased, about life and death. Documentary cinema documents while offering new knowledge. It creates a space where cultural production can be examined, questioned, and felt, all at once.

In your documentary projects, you often focus on themes related to art, architecture, and cultural heritage. How does this interdisciplinary approach shape your creative process?

I’ve never been able to stay inside one discipline, and honestly I think that’s where the most interesting work happens. My background spans journalism, documentary, digital media, architecture (through my family), and now AI filmmaking. Each of these fields has its own way of seeing, its own rigor. When I approach a project about cultural heritage, I’m thinking like a researcher and a filmmaker simultaneously. The architecture informs the framing. The journalistic instinct pushes me to ask harder questions. The artistic impulse gives me permission to be poetic. This layering is central to how I work. A project like the 9999 Archive research required me to be an archivist, a daughter, a historian, and a visual storyteller all at once. Those roles inform and deepen each other.

Archive, Memory, and Cultural Heritage

In several of your projects, you engage with archives and historical materials, reinterpreting visual and cultural memory. What does working with archives mean to you as a process of research and discovery?

Archives are alive. That’s the first thing people misunderstand. They think of archives as static, settled, dusty. But when you enter an archive, especially one you have a personal connection to, you’re entering a conversation with time. I am the custodian of the 9999 Archive, the collection of work left by my late father and his collaborators in the Florentine radical architecture movement. Working with that material has been one of the most profound creative experiences of my life. You find things you didn’t expect. You discover connections the original creators may not have seen. You hold a sketch from 1971 and suddenly understand something about the present. For me, archival work is a form of listening. And the act of reinterpreting that material through film, through exhibitions, through new technologies, is how we keep cultural memory honest and dynamic rather than frozen. The coolest thing? A million stories told in a million ways can stem from the same archive.

Digital Transformation and New Media

Today, visual culture and storytelling are increasingly shaped by digital tools and new media technologies. How do you think this transformation is influencing artistic production and forms of visual narration?

We’re living through a fundamental shift in who gets to tell stories and how. Digital and AI tools have democratized production in ways that would have been unimaginable when I started in journalism and documentary. But what interests me most right now is the emergence of AI as a creative medium. I work as a Creative Partner with platforms like Seedance, Runway, Sora, Leonardo, Pika, InVideo, CapCut, and ElevenLabs, and I’ve been making AI films since early in this wave back in 2022. What I see happening is that the tools are changing the grammar of visual storytelling. You can now create imagery that sits between photography and painting, between documentary and dream. The transformation is both technical and conceptual. It’s in how we think as much as in how we make and what we produce. It’s forcing us to rethink what an image is, what authorship means, what “real” looks like. For visual culture, that’s enormously exciting and also demands real critical thinking.

Artificial Intelligence and Creative Production

In recent years, you have also explored AI-assisted visual production and cinema. How do you evaluate the creative possibilities that artificial intelligence offers for filmmaking and visual culture?

AI has given me a new language. My upcoming film “Alma Robot,” which won four international awards, is a hybrid work that used AI-generated imagery alongside live footage I shot in Patagonia under Paolo Sorrentino’s mentorship. What AI allows me to do is visualize the interior, the emotional, the abstract, in ways that traditional cinematography can’t always reach. I can give form to memory, to grief, to transformation. The films that matter are still driven by a point of view, by craft, by something the filmmaker needs to say: the message. I teach AI filmmaking at Franklin University Switzerland and in workshops internationally, and the first thing I tell my students is that the technology is only as interesting as the person using it. That’s why I focus a lot on students understanding the importance of their Voice. The creative possibilities are extraordinary, but they require the same rigor and intentionality as any other form of cinema.

Creative Practice Between Past and Future

Your work often combines historical research with experimental production using new technologies. How do you establish a balance between exploring cultural heritage and experimenting with emerging technologies?

For me, there’s no tension between research and new tech. In fact, they need each other. The radical architects of 1960s Florence were themselves technologists and dreamers. They used the tools of their time, Super 8 film, performance, inflatable structures, to imagine different futures…while they explored the topic of human vs tech in the actual artwork. When I use AI to reinterpret or extend their work, I’m continuing that same impulse. The 9999 group believed art should be experimental, interdisciplinary, and forward-looking. Working with their archive through contemporary technology feels like honoring their philosophy. Heritage gives you roots. Technology gives you reach. The balance comes from never letting one override the other. You stay grounded in research, in history, in genuine understanding of the material. And then you let the new tools open doors you couldn’t have opened before.

Cinema, Exhibitions, and Art Institutions

Some of your films are presented not only in cinematic contexts but also within museums and art institutions. How do you see the relationship between cinema and contemporary art institutions evolving?

The boundaries have been dissolving for years, and I think that’s a good thing. My work has been shown in film festivals and in art contexts, and each space brings out something different in the same piece. Cinema in a theater is a temporal experience; you surrender to the filmmaker’s rhythm. In a gallery or museum, the viewer has more autonomy, more time, more space to circle back. What I find most interesting is how AI cinema is accelerating this convergence. AI-generated films often have a painterly, textural quality, a feeling of time-suspended that feels very much at home in exhibition spaces. And the questions they raise about authorship, about the nature of images, about technology and humanity, are questions that contemporary art institutions are uniquely equipped to hold. I think and hope we’ll see more and more filmmakers working across both worlds, and that the distinction between “cinema” and “art” will matter less than the quality of the thinking.

Aesthetics and Narrative Construction

When constructing a visual narrative, which aesthetic or intellectual approaches influence your storytelling?

I come from a very specific visual lineage. Growing up Florentine, surrounded by Renaissance architecture and the radical experiments of my father’s generation, and the Florence Film Festival my parents founded and ran, as well as their later subtitling company they started from our home, gave me a deep sense that beauty and ideas are inseparable. My aesthetic is grounded in composition, in light, in the emotional weight of an image and its meaning. Intellectually, I’m drawn to the space between the personal and the political, the intimate and the historical. I think a lot about Walter Benjamin’s idea of the “dialectical image,” the way a single visual moment can hold past and present in tension. I also carry my journalism training with me. There’s a commitment to truth, to specificity, to earning every claim you make. Even in my most experimental AI work, I’m always asking: what is this image doing? What does it mean? Is it honest? I love the editing process because of this final decision making.

The New Generation of Creators

As both a filmmaker and educator, you work with younger generations of creatives. What do you see as the main opportunities and challenges that young artists and filmmakers face in the digital age?

The opportunity is extraordinary. The tools available today mean that a student with a laptop can create work that would have required a full production crew ten years ago. In my university classes at Franklin University Switzerland or teenagers at Locarno Film Festival, I watch students go from first concept to finished AI film in a matter of days or weeks. The creative barrier to entry has never been lower. But that’s also the challenge. When everyone can make something, the question becomes: do you have something to say? The risk of the AI era is a flood of technically impressive but emotionally empty work. What I try to give my students is a framework for thinking, for developing a point of view, for understanding why they’re making something before they figure out how. The other challenge is critical literacy. Young creators need to understand these tools deeply enough to use them with intention. Many stem from the Covid era and grew up on socials and screens so the curiosity, engagement with others and hunger to learn is something very delicate to see in them. The ones who combine technical fluency with voice, confidence, sensitivity and genuine artistic vision are going to do remarkable things.

The Future of Visual Culture

Finally, considering the evolving relationship between contemporary art, cinema, and technology, how do you envision the future of visual storytelling in the coming years?

I think we’re heading toward a moment where the categories we’ve relied on, film, art, design, technology, will feel increasingly inadequate. So will the vocabulary to understand, discuss and argue about it all. The most compelling work is already happening in the spaces between disciplines. AI cinema is one example. The 9999 Archive work is another: a project that is simultaneously historical research, family memoir, and experimental media. What excites me is that the next generation of creators won’t have to choose between being a filmmaker or an artist or a technologist. They can be all of those things at once, the way the radical architects of the 1960s were simultaneously designers, architects, philosophers, performers, and provocateurs. They said, “The most important project was the project of our life.” The future of visual culture belongs to people who can think across boundaries, who understand both the weight of history and the possibilities of new tools, and who have something urgent and human to say. That’s what I’m working toward, in my films, in my teaching, and in everything Fiumi Studios does.

The Conscience of the Abandoned Moment: On Memory, Silence, and Resistance with Ed Kashi

Interview Series: Visual Witnessing, Documentary Practice and Public Memory | Interviewer: Tugba Bahar

ED KASHI | Photojournalist Filmmaker, Speaker, and Educator

Ed Kashi’s journey, spanning over four decades, is far more than a professional record of witnessing; it is the manifestation of a profound reverence for the world’s diverse cultures and an unshakeable belief in storytelling’s capacity to heal our shared reality.
While maintaining a ‘front-row seat’ to the most intimate and shattering moments of the human condition, Kashi has navigated the world with a camera that serves as a silent guide into the heart of different civilizations, currently arriving at the most refined
harvest of his career. Having created a philosophical rupture in documentary photography with his theory of the ‘Abandoned Moment’which honors the chaotic flow of life and intuitive surrender over Henri Cartier-Bresson’s rationalist ‘Decisive
Moment’the artist is currently safeguarding his legacy as a ‘gardener of memory,’ entrusting his vast 45-year analog and digital archive to the Briscoe Center. Even as he defends the moral credibility of photography against the rising ‘digital noise’ of artificial
intelligence, he observes the very lands where he was censored in 1991 with a transformative maturity, now returning as a distinguished jury member. This conversation is a profound search for human truth, navigating from haptic memory to
the ethical boundaries of ‘advocacy journalism,’ and from the political weight of silence in the Middle East to the realization of hope as a radical necessity.

You have entrusted your 45-year archive to the Briscoe Center with the meticulous care of a ‘gardener of memory.’ Following this monumental handover, where do you perceive yourself within the narrative, and what is your current ‘inner climate’? Does this feel like a final farewell to a chapter, or a new beginning, unburdened and liberated?

By donating the main elements of my archive, I’ve accomplished a few important things all at once. I am freed up physically from my archive, especially in this more digital and remote working environment we find ourselves in today. It provides a
secure resting place form my legacy, so gives me a certain peace of mind. My work is now accessible to researchers, educators, media, students, etc, so it confirms the reason I do this work, to illuminate and capture moments in time and history. Finally, this act is like a puncuation mark in my life and in my work. I can feel secure that up to this point my work has meaning and a place, yet I can continue to create and contribute to that legacy.

IMAGE: FOTODOK Book Club: Abandoned Moments — ED KASHI

In an era where AI relentlessly perfects the visual, could the ‘errors’ and randomness inherent in your ‘Abandoned Moment’ philosophy be the most ontologically reliable elementsof a photograph? Is defending the ‘mistake’ a form of philosophical resistance against digital forgery?

That is an interesting idea, but that’s not my intention with Abandoned Moments. It’s really about the freeform experience of making images when you’re not in control of the moment. I will say that with AI and digital manipulation, authentic images will gain more power and importance.

IMAGE: The Game of Life — ED KASHI

In “The Game of Life,” your choice to ‘paint’ digital images with physical baseball materials (pine tar, sunflower seeds, etc.) suggests a haptic search for roots within an assimilated identity. Do you find that the clarity of memory resides in these physical residues rather than in the precision of pixels?

The Game of Life was my attempt to mix physical elements, photographs and ephemera to explore my relationship to fatherhood, the loss of a father, the importance of baseball as a binding source for myself and my son, and the acceptance of being an immigrant. I did not grow up thinking of myself as an immigrant. Baseball was my babysitter. I grew up in the physical World as a human and as a young photographer, working in the darkroom, etc. This project was a chance to combine both worlds into a deeply personal statement.

Within your ideal of candid intimacy, does the mere presence of the camera eventually force the subject into a ‘performance’ of naturalness? How do you remain certain that your presence as an observer has not fundamentally transformed the essence of the scene?

It is impossible for my presence to not transform a situation, but with candid intimacy, my goal is to create images that leave the viewer feeling like they are there but my camera is not. I’ve found that some people do perform and some are shy and almost
avoid the camera. Some of that comes down to individual personalities, the context and cultural mores.

While documenting the process of aging, how do you frame the tension between the deformation of the body and the continuity of the soul? In iconic frames like the final moments of Maxine Peters, can photography truly capture a sense of ‘timelessness’ while overcoming the physical toll of time?

I learned early on in that project that I would need to find a visual language that avoided the decay and sadness of growing old. I also accepted that the wrinkles of an aging body could be beautiful, and like Maxine’s last moments, death could be a
beautiful moment, especially when surrounded by loved ones and in a secure and dignified manner.

IMAGE: Ed Kashi – The VII Foundation

Through your work with Talking Eyes Media, do you ever encounter a dilemma of aesthetics: can a photograph being ‘too beautiful’ diminish the raw power of the tragedy it depicts? Does aesthetic perfection risk trapping the viewer in a state of
passive admiration rather than mobilizing them toward action?

This question has been raised many times in the past, especially in the context of photojournalism’s coverage of conflict and human tragedy. This conversation has definitely created change in the profession, forcing many practitioners to search for new ways to tell these kinds of stories and shed light on these difficult issues. For myself, I always look to preserve the dignity of the people I photograph, while showing their situation in a truthful and impactful way. The larger concern now is the sheer volüme of imagery that people are seeing, plus the violent imagery that we now accept and take for granted in popular culture. I am constantly amazing at how much violence we see in streaming shows and mainstream movies. Are we getting inured
and numb? At least with still images you are forced to look, dwell, think, read a caption to gain more context, and ultimately allow the brain to focus more acutely.

IMAGE: Workshops & Events — ED KASHI

For 45 years, you have witnessed the world’s darkest corners and deepest trajedies from a ‘front-row seat.’ Does such proximity to suffering eventually create a kind of ‘visual callousness,’ or does every release of the shutter touch the wound as if for the
first time? After all you have seen, is maintaining hope for humanity a vision you choose, or a necessity you are bound to?

I remain hopeful about humanity, but these days it’s getting harder to hold onto this more positive view. As I continue to make images and tell visual stories, I hold onto my values and goals; to tell human stories without hiding from the tough issues, while
also showing the resilience, dignity and power of people and organizations to do better. I see it more as solutions journalism, or advocacy storytelling.

What does it feel like to transition from being a censored witness in Diyarbakır in 1991 to a jury member evaluating Turkey’s visual landscape in 2025? How do you interpret being on the side of the ‘selector’ today, when you were once pursuing a
reality that was forbidden to even be recorded?

If you live and work long enough, you get to see how dramatically certain places, issues and relationships can change. In relation specifically to Turkey, it’s a government and culture that continues to demonize and discriminate against it’s
Kurdish minority. What makes Turkey so important and truly one of the most amazing places on earth, is it’s not just one thing. Turkish people represent a wide range of political views, progressive and inclusive sentiments and a highly educated class of
people.

IMAGE: Wikimedia Commons

How do you interpret the widespread silence within the art world regarding contemporary Middle Eastern conflicts? As an ‘advocacy journalist’ with roots in Baghdad, does ‘witnessing’ begin for you at the moral boundary where the luxury of
neutrality ends? Is silence, for an artist, ultimately a desertion of truth?

Having roots in the Middle East but growing up as an American, it has been my work that has brought me to these places of my ancestors and forced me to recognize my heritage and look at the present situation there. It’s a complex place where too many
people are prisoners of their own histories. I am thankful my father came to America, so I could grow up without that baggage. In terms of the situation more specifically in Gaza and Israel, there is no logic or reasoning for what has happened and it’s hard to
imagine Israel rehabiliting it’s standing in the world anytime soon. Having worked in Israel and Palestine close to 20 times since 1991, I have also found it difficult to continue to find hope or understand how to tell this story. The cruelty and growing
hatred. The dehumaniziation of the “other” has only served the extremists on both sides. As a photojournalist, I try to remain neutral in my public stance, which is a paramount ethical value to maintain. As an artist, there is more freedom to express
personal opinions in both your work and your public stance. Having said that, I remain appalled by the actions of Israel and also of Hamas. As I stated in 1996, working on my project about messianic jewish settlers in the West Bank, both the settlers and
Hamas are obstacles to peace. I hold that view now more then ever.

Much like the defiant boy soaring over the bonfire on your book’s cover, what do tens of thousands of frames whisper to you today? Has this ‘living dossier’ brought you to a state of final peace, or has it propelled you into a deeper curiosity fueled by the
‘abandoned’ energy of uncertainty?

I search for inner peace on a Daily basis and it’s a struggle that I know I’ll carry with me until the end. Isn’t it a natural part of being human? My experiences and the images and stories I’ve created bring a kind of inner peace, yet they are a constant
reminder of the hard work we must all do to try to make our World a better place.

IMAGE: A Period in Time by Ed Kashi | Photo Article